Episode 2 Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome to the Black Swan Rising podcast, an L10 production. For transcriptions, show notes and extras, please visit us at theblackswanrisingpodcastcom, now broadcasting across the world from the heart of the American Bible Belt. Here is your host, Michael B Rush.

Speaker 2: 0:27

Hello friends, welcome back to the Black Swan Rising podcast. I'm your host, Michael B Rush. Today we are going to be tackling a very daunting and confusing subject. In fact, this subject is so daunting and so out there that most people take the ostrich approach of sticking their head in the sand and ignoring it completely, because, frankly, it's easier to do that than to try to have an intelligent discussion about it, much less reconcile it with our spiritual paradigms. Today we're going to be talking about the UFO phenomenon and how that can reconcile with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2: 1:14

The purpose of this episode is not going to be to convince you of any of this. In fact, I'm going to start from the premise that you are informed that the US Congress has been meeting with whistleblowers for several years now. Very credible whistleblowers testimony that during his official capacities working for a branch of the government, he was aware of a covert operation wherein the government had recovered over 100 extraterrestrial spacecraft. Another person, jake Barber, has come forward saying that he was on one of those recovery teams and he actually has footage taken from his Black Hawk helicopter of him transporting an egg-shaped craft that was capable of doing incredible maneuvers. So I'm just taking for granted that you're informed about these things. There have been many credible whistleblowers that are talking about things that are just bonkers. I'm talking about men like Gary Voorhees, who was a petty officer and radar technician aboard the USS Princeton during that whole Tic Tac episode when the USS Nimitz carrier strike group was doing battle war games off the coast of San Diego, and he said that he saw I believe it was around 100 UFOs enter the atmosphere from space and descend from space to sea level in seconds. I mean that would require that they were moving at insane speeds. He even said that they went into the ocean and were doing incredible maneuvers. He said that they were actually not only able to see these things via radar, but that they also were able to grab their binoculars and observe them. You know they looked like, you know, glowing orbs darting around at high speeds all over the place, and I mean some of these things were moving, you know, 100,000 miles an hour in an atmosphere and then hundreds of miles an hour below the surface of the ocean.

Speaker 2: 3:38

I mean these are credible eyewitnesses and you know, frankly, there's lots of people. Commander David Fravor is on the record having had close encounters with these craft. So I mean either you have to conclude that all of these people are involved in some elaborate scheme to deceive us or they are actually seeing these things. And if they are actually seeing these things and these things are in fact real, and there are now dozens of credible witnesses there's footage. You know somebody, some whistleblower, actually released some legitimate footage of one of these tic-tac type crafts being shot with a Hellfire missile from a drone, and the missile just bounced off of it did nothing to this craft. There are many other witnesses that say that they saw these kinds of objects disable nuclear missile silos under the ground. There are others that say that they saw them disable nuclear missiles in flight.

Speaker 2: 4:50

One of my favorite whistleblower accounts is that of Brigadier General Haim Eshed. Now, this guy is a genius. He's the man who designed Israel's Iron Dome, which is talk about engineering marvel. It's essentially like shooting bullets out of the sky with bullets.

Speaker 2: 5:09

This genius man, upon retiring, gave this bombshell interview to a newspaper over in Israel. I can't remember, I'll see if I can put it in the show notes, but in it he talked about just unbelievable things that he had experienced over the course of his career, many of which had to do with extraterrestrial beings. I mean, he came right out and said listen, israel and the United States have been working with extraterrestrials and they've been doing it for at least 30 years. And they've been doing it for at least 30 years. And he said there's an organization that is based in America that is fronting this and they are cutthroat and certain whistleblowers are getting killed by this organization. He says they're very nasty folks.

Speaker 2: 5:59

He said that he knew that Bigelow, who was the previous owner of Skinwalker Ranch prior to when Brandon Fugel bought it, he was aware of the experiments that were transpiring on that ranch. I believe he was actually present there. He described seeing a portal open up at nighttime on that ranch. He described seeing a portal open up at nighttime on that ranch and you could see that it was daylight on the other side of the portal and watching crafts fly through it that then proceeded to do miraculous things that astounded the physicists that were there with him. And he says listen, every major university has physicists on staff that absolutely know about this stuff. They just can't talk about it. So I mean, you have all of these kinds of highly credible people that are talking about these things and leaving us with very limited options.

Speaker 2: 7:03

We can stick our head in the sands and ignore that this is going on around us, which is frankly what has largely been happening. Or, in the spirit of this podcast, we can say all right, this has Black Swan written all over it. Written all over it, and, as we talked about in episode one, black swan events have one of the common characteristics is that once they've happened, looking at the evidence with new eyes, it becomes obvious that something like this was always going to happen. So the fact that this is going on in our skies right now to me is a clear indication that we have a black swan event brewing, and I think that we owe it to ourselves to try to get ahead of this and put some intellectual brainpower behind it.

Speaker 2: 7:58

As to how does this reconcile with our religious beliefs? Because if we are just going to wing it when this black swan event unfolds, I think that we could find ourselves at risk for precisely what Christ was talking about when he said men's hearts will fail them for fear for seeing those things that are coming upon the earth and that, as a consequence of those things that are coming upon the earth, the powers of heaven will be shaken. I think that what that means is, you know, our faith is going to be shaken by these black swan events, and I think that black swan events surrounding this phenomenon could be particularly detrimental if we have no theological framework for this. Now, I am not aware of any theologian that has legitimately addressed this topic. That being the case, it's up to us to take the Lord's counsel to Isaiah and come reason together. We need to figure out how extraterrestrial crafts and their occupants reconcile with the Christian religion, because if these things are really happening and there are no shortage of people attesting to the fact that they are, then there has to be a reconciliation. So let's not wait until the Black Swan event happens. Let's try to and I'm not saying we're going to have all of the answers on this podcast, but I think that we need to start the process, and this will be a beginning of that.

Speaker 2: 9:36

So where do you start? You start with the Book of Enoch. Now, why would I say this? Well, I say it because the book of Enoch comes out and says hey, in our days, 200 men came to the earth from another world and totally corrupted it. They had children with the women of earth, and those children became giants and they introduced technologies and the children of Adam and Eve became utterly corrupted, and to such a degree that the Lord had to destroy the earth. That's essentially the basic premise of the book of Enoch, and in the opening verses Enoch says listen, I'm not writing this book for my generation. We know about all of this stuff. I'm not writing this book for my generation. We know about all of this stuff. I'm writing this for the generation that will exist in the last days when the wicked will be swept from the earth because the watchers are returning again. That's what he says. So what is the Book of Enoch? And is this just cray-cray, apocryphal book that we don't have to pay any attention to, or does it have more substance than that? I think that the answer is it's got a heck of a lot more substance than that. Let me explain why. But before I do, let me just give you a little history of where the Book of Enoch comes from.

Speaker 2: 11:01

The Book of Enoch has been a lost book in the Bible. It's been talked about throughout the Old Testament. There's references, mysterious references that nobody quite understood where they came from. For instance, genesis chapter 6, which is probably one of the strangest chapters in the entire Bible. It essentially says hey, some fallen angels came to the earth and they had children with the women of earth because they were beautiful, and their children became giants and they screwed everything up and so the Lord destroyed the earth. And that's really all we've got from this. But the book of Enoch is essentially a magnification of what happened during this period of time, and I mean there's other people Jude, the brother of Jesus, talked a lot about. I mean, the only epistle that we have is entirely based upon the writings of the book of Enoch. In fact, he's calling upon the book of Enoch to give credibility to what he's talking about. Now, that's important.

Speaker 2: 12:10

But he wasn't alone Peter, who was the rock upon which Christ said he was going to build the church. He wrote about the book of Enoch as well. In his writings you have in 2 Peter 2, verses 4-5,. It says this For if God spared not the angels meaning the watchers, as they're called in the book of Enoch that sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment, and spared not the old world, but saved Noah, the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly, these angels that were not spared by God, those are the watchers that Enoch talks all about in the book of Enoch.

Speaker 2: 12:55

You can read about this particular part that Peter was referencing in the book of Enoch, chapter 10, verses 4 through 8. They read as follows chapter 10, verses 4 through 8. They read as follows angels, aka watchers, have corrupted and proclaimed the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the watchers have disclosed and taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works which were taught by Azazel. To him ascribe all sin. Again, that's Book of Enoch, chapter 10, verses 4 through 8. This is really significant because in the Old Testament, once a year that Lord commanded the house of Israel to take a scapegoat. The actual Hebrew word for scapegoat is guess what? Azazel and they were to put all of the sins of Israel onto that scapegoat and banish it into the desert. Put all of the sins of Israel onto that scapegoat and banish it into the desert. This is in similitude of the Lord ascribing all of the sins of the pre-Diluvian world to the watcher, azazel, and banishing him into a desert prison. So these things greatly influence the biblical record.

Speaker 2: 14:21

In fact, there was a man. His name is Lyman Abbott. He was a popular theologian in the 1800s and when the Book of Enoch first became public, the first English translations hit. He was very impressed with the book, and this is what he said. This priceless manuscript, destined someday to reveal the forgotten source of many Christian dogmas and mysteries, rested in Bodilean obscurity until presented to the world through an English translation by Dr Lawrence, archbishop of Cashel, formerly professor of Hebrew at Oxford, who issued his first edition in 1821, in apparent unconsciousness that he was giving to mankind the theological fossils through which we, in the clearer light of our generation, may study the evolution of Christianity. Lyman Abbott thought that the Book of Enoch produced many of the answers to some of the crazy theological questions that trouble Christians to this day.

Speaker 2: 15:25

For example, one such puzzling mystery that's included in the New Testament comes from 1 Peter, 3, verses 18-20 and 4, verse 6. They read as follows For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit, by which he also went and preached unto the spirits in prison, which sometime were disobedient when the longsuffering of God waited. In the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight, souls were saved by water. For for this cause was the gospel preached, also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh but live according to God in the Spirit. What Peter is saying? That Christ went and taught the gospel to the spirits that were dead, that were killed in the great flood, so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh. This flies in the face of what most Christians believe. Most Christians believe listen, hey, if you die and you have not professed Jesus Christ as your Savior, you are hosed. It's eternal damnation for you. But Peter introduces this mysterious doctrine that mainstream Christianity has no answer for.

Speaker 2: 16:56

However, in the book of Enoch it talks about the Son of man going and ministering to those that are dead and preaching the gospel to them that they may repent and take upon themselves the name of Christ as well. That is a very interesting doctrine. In fact, something crazy to me is Christ himself referred to himself not as Christ or the Savior or the Messiah, but he referred to himself as the Son of man. This is curious because the title Son of man originates from the book of Enoch. Why do I say this? Because, if you take the book of Enoch at its face value, it was written before the great flood. The other references to the title Son of man that we have in the Old Testament come from Ezekiel and from Daniel. Ezekiel's titles are not messianic. Daniel's, on the other hand, are absolutely messianic. He's talking about someone likened to the Son of man, who came from heaven in clouds of glory to the earth and inherited a throne of power. He's clearly talking about Jesus Christ as the Son of man. So what would the Jews have understood about this messianic title Son of man in their day? Well, the Book of Enoch was commonplace in their day. We know this because multiple copies of the Book of Enoch were found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. In fact, it was one of the most common books that were discovered.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Now, dr John Strugnell he was the chief editor of the Dead Sea Scroll Project. He's on record saying that he had a complete book of Enoch in his hand and that he was trying to buy it from a Bedouin. Most of the scrolls that were discovered amongst the Densi scroll caches were actually discovered by Bedouins who then went on to try to sell them for money. I mean, these were poor people. Now, he said, and he was furious about this. He said that there was an Orthodox Jewish man that somehow found out this same Jordanian Bedouin who had this book and tried to threaten him and steal the scroll from him. And so this scroll went underground.

Speaker 2: 19:38

Dr Strongneal was so infuriated by this that he went ballistic on the Jews and he had an interview with a newspaper and the Jews were always trying to get more involved in the Dead Sea Scroll process. They were saying listen, these are records about our ancestors. We want to be involved in their translation. And he said heck, no. He said the only reason that we have these Dead Sea Scroll documents is because these guys were trying to hide them from your ancestors, who were persecuting them in the first place. So we don't want you guys to be in charge of translating this stuff because, frankly, I don't trust you. And that, as you might imagine, went over like a ton of bricks. He was actually fired from the Dead Sea Scroll Project and the Jews actually began to take a more prominent role. But the book of Enoch is threatening to the Jewish orthodoxy primarily because of all of these references to the Son of man that are pervasive throughout the Book of Enoch, but mostly in the Book of Parables, which Dr Strongnell said was included in the Dead Sea Scroll copies that he saw and was trying to buy.

Speaker 2: 21:01

Now let me just read some of these extracts from the book of Enoch that talk about the Son of man, and I think that you will be surprised by how messianic these titles actually are. This is coming from the 46th chapter of the book of Enoch. I'm starting in chapter 2. And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all hidden things concerning that son of man who he was and whence he was and why he went with the head of days. And he answered and said unto me. Now it's important to know that the head of days here is Michael. This is the same reference that Daniel must have been alluding to when he said that he saw someone likened to the Son of man coming to the Ancient of Days.

Speaker 2: 21:50

In some translations of the book of Enoch this isn't stated Head of Days, it's translated Ancient of Days. So we're talking about the same thing. This is what Daniel was referring to. And then this continues in the next verse. This is the Son of man who hath righteousness, with whom dwelleth righteousness and who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden, because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him. The Lord of Spirits is the title for God the Father in the book of Enoch.

Speaker 2: 22:22

Okay, so the Son of man would be Christ and the Lord of Spirits would be God the Father, using New Testament titles, because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him. In other words, he was the anointed or chosen one, and whose lot hath the preeminence before the Lord of Spirits, in uprightness forever. And this Son of man whom thou hast seen, shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats and the strong from their thrones and shall loosen the reins of the strong and break the teeth of the sinners. And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms because they do not extol and praise him, nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them so clearly. In the book of Enoch it's saying listen, god the Father has put the administration of the kingdom upon the shoulders of the Son of man. And the Son of man runs the show, is proclaiming himself to be the Son of man, and most of the Jewish scribal class is definitely going to be aware that he is referring to the book of Enoch. They know that when Christ is saying that he's the Son of man, he's really saying that he's the Son of God.

Speaker 2: 23:41

So let's continue in another place. This actually goes on and on talking about him, but I want to jump to another section of the. This is really interesting. It's probably one of my favorite sections in the book of enoch that talks about the son of man. This I've jumped over to chapter 62, starting in verse 1. And thus the lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who dwell on the earth and said open your eyes and lift up your horns if you are able to recognize the elect one. Now the elect one, according to the previous passages that we were going over, is the son of man. Now in verse 2, and the Lord of Spirits seated him, meaning he seated the elect one on the throne of his glory. Now in the New Testament it says that the Son of man will be seated in the Father's throne. This is a direct reference to the book of Enoch. So when?

Speaker 2: 24:40

Another reason that the Jews were affronted was Christ was saying that he was literally going to sit on God the Father's throne. This incensed them and they surely would have known about this reference in the book of Enoch. Now it continues and the spirit of the righteousness was poured out upon him and the word of his mouth slays all the sinners and all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face and one portion of them shall look on the other and they shall be terrified and they shall be downcast of countenance and pain shall seize them when they shall see that Son of man sitting on the throne of his glory, and the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol him who rules over all, who was hidden. That last verse is from chapter 62, verse 7 from the book of Enoch. So you can see that Christ was using this title in reference to these bombshell prophecies that were commonplace amongst the Jews in that time period but have since become lost books of the Bible.

Speaker 2: 25:56

Now, why would Christ refer to himself from an Enochian title if the book of Enoch was false, if it was apocryphal, wouldn't that undermine his entire message? What if the book of Enoch is not apocryphal. What if 200 men really did come down to the earth in the days of Enoch's father, jared, and corrupted it? In fact, they corrupted it to such a degree that the only chance that the world had for redemption was a total reset. Now, why would the Lord need to reset it? It's because everybody had been so corrupted by the philosophy and doctrines of these watchers that the children that were being born to families across the entire world had no chance of receiving the truth.

Speaker 2: 26:54

Now, friends, it's important to understand that the gospel did not begin with Abraham. The pre-Diluvian world would have had to have had the gospel. Do you think that God, the Father, would put Adam and Eve on the earth totally clueless, or do you think that they were going to be taught the gospel? Enoch was a prophet, noah was a prophet. What were they teaching? They were teaching the gospel. The people had rejected the gospel. The gospel had become corrupt.

Speaker 2: 27:26

In fact, when you look at the records of the pre-Diluvian world, of which we actually have many written in cuneiform tablets and other ancient writings, you can clearly see that all of the ancient religions of the world were surprisingly similar. They therefore had to have had a common origin from which they apostatized from, from. And many people, actually many archaeologists, religious archaeologists have been incredibly disturbed when they start digging up artifacts and writings from the ancient world and they begin to learn that, hey, you know what? The Canaanites' religion was awfully similar to that of the ancient Israelis. In fact, the name of their god, they worshipped Elohim and they worshipped the Lord, which, in Hebrew, the Lord, is simply Baal. And the Hebrews guess what? They worshipped Elohim and they worshipped the Lord. Hebrews guess what? They worshipped Elohim and they worshipped the Lord. Except for in the Old Testament, when we're talking about the Hebrews' God, we translate Baal into the Lord, but when we're talking about the Canaanite God, we leave it untranslated as Baal, so that it becomes easier to distinguish this. But these religions were similar. What's the difference? The Canaanites had apostatized.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Now let's stop here and review. Why am I talking about all this stuff right now? I'm talking about this because the book of Enoch tells us that the world was corrupted by off-world men, and it explicitly states that that will happen again in the last days. And that was actual, in fact. Let me read you the first four verses from the book of Enoch. I think you'll be surprised.

Speaker 2: 29:31

This is chapter one verse one, the words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation, chapter 1, verse 1. I saw a vision of the holy ones in the heavens which the angel showed me, and from them I learned everything and from them I understood, as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come, concerning the elect, forth from his dwelling and the eternal God will tread upon the earth, even upon Mount Sinai, and appear from his camp and appear in the strength of his might, from the heaven of heavens, and all shall be smitten with fear and the watchers shall quake and great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth, and the high mountains shall be shaken and the high hills shall be made low and they shall melt like wax before the flame and the earth shall be wholly rent and sunder and all that is upon the earth shall perish and there shall be a judgment upon all men. But with the righteous, he will make peace and he will protect the elect, and mercy shall be upon them. Behold, he cometh with ten thousand of his holy ones to execute judgment upon all and to destroy all the ungodly.

Speaker 2: 31:02

This is from the first couple of verses from the book of Enoch. What does it say? It says that the watchers will return in the last days and that when God comes again, the watchers will be terrified when they see him. Now the book of Enoch itself kind of gives a time frame for when the watchers would return. The time frame is based upon a discussion that Michael the archangel had with God, the father of which Enoch was permitted whether by vision or actually being there, I have no idea, but he recorded it in the book of Enoch. And in this conversation, michael goes to the throne of God and says Father, have you seen what's going on on earth? The watchers have come and they are screwing everything up. And God, the Father, tells Michael I want you to go down there and I want you to bind Azazel and I want you to attribute all the sins of the pre-Diluvian world to him because he screwed everything up in the first place, and I want you to bind the watchers for 70 generations.

Speaker 2: 32:16

Now, that is interesting. This is the little time frame that I was talking about. What is a generation? Well, I think that a generation can be interpreted as a lifespan. So before the modern era of medicine, if you survived childhood, you might expect to live until your early 60s. That's typically where people were considered to be old. So what if we say 60 years has been a pretty good indicator of generations since the days that all of this stuff went down.

Speaker 2: 32:58

Well, most Bible scholars will tell you that the flood happened sometime around 2350 BC. Now it's 2025, 80. That's 4,375 years. What happens if you take 4,375 years and you divide it by 70 for 70 generations? Well, that gives you about 62.5 years. That corresponds roughly with what a generation or a lifespan has been throughout the history of the earth since the flood. What does this mean? I think that it means it's no coincidence that we have Congress talking about UFOs and UAPs flying around in our most secure airspace on an exponentially increasing basis, now that we are about 70 generations since.

Speaker 2: 34:00

The book of Enoch said that God, the Father, bound the watchers. Okay, now I think that we need to just pause here and hash out what is meant by a watcher. Given the wording of Genesis chapter 6,. Given the wording of Genesis chapter 6, most Christians have come to the belief that watchers were fallen angels. But is this the right way to look at this? Well, do we have any ancient descriptions of what watchers meant? Wouldn't that be the best indicator of what a watcher was? Well, actually we do.

Speaker 2: 34:38

There was a Jewish philosopher. His name was Philo of Alexandria, and he lived from 25 BC to 50 AD, so he was alive during the birth of Christianity. He himself was a Christian. Now he wrote a book explaining the Book of Enoch, and it's called On the Giants. In there he describes who the Watchers were, and it's very, very interesting. This comes from verse 6 and 7 in his book, which is, you know, very short. It's a couple of paragraphs is all. I don't even really know why we call it a book, but anyways, this is what it says. And when the angels of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful, they took unto themselves wives of all whom they chose.

Speaker 2: 35:30

Those beings whom other philosophers called demons, moses usually calls angels, and they are souls hovering in the air. Let no one suppose that what is here stated is a fable, for it is necessarily true that the universe must be filled with living things in all of its parts. So what was Philo of Alexandria saying? He was saying that Moses called these things angels because they could hover in the air. And then he went on and said listen, I know this sounds crazy, but it's not crazy. Why should it be crazy when God isn't the God of an empty and lifeless universe? God isn't the God of an empty and lifeless universe. He's the God of a universe that is teeming with living things in all of its parts. That is a revolutionary concept. Philo of Alexandria is saying listen, these were angels because they came here from heaven, because the universe is filled with life. That's what he is saying. Okay, now let's go back to what Congress is talking about.

Speaker 2: 37:00

We have hundreds and thousands of firsthand accounts of fighter pilots, military personnel, commercial airliners and highly trained observers that are talking about anomalous aircraft that can do things that are absolutely bonkers, that we have no answer. That should be impossible according to the laws of physics as we understand them. Who is inside of these things? Are they angels? Are they demons? Are those the only two choices In an infinite universe? Of course those are not the only two choices. They're just the only two choices that most people have theological boxes for.

Speaker 2: 37:40

Now, do you think that God has only put people on this planet If there are literally more stars in the heavens than grains of sand upon all the seashores of the earth's oceans, which is demonstrably the case? What is a sun? A sun is just the center of a solar system. All of those suns have other planets orbiting them. Surely, some of those planets have other living beings on them Now? The Bible explicitly states that we are created in the image of God. Would all of God's creations have to be created in his image? Well, are all of the living creatures on earth created in God's image? No, that being said, one of the crazy things that Brigadier General Haim Eshed said in that bombshell exit interview that I referenced earlier in this podcast was that he was aware of beings that were coming to the Earth that look exactly like us. And he's not the only one that's saying things like that. There's another man by the name of Charles Hall. He's a nuclear physicist. He was working as a weatherman at Nellis Air Force Range early on in his career.

Speaker 2: 39:26

Now it's very important to note that Charles Hall is a devout Christian and he swears that this is true. He says that during his time with the Air Force that he spent, I believe he said, two years working with a race of beings that were not from this planet but were very human looking in appearance. He said the primary difference was that their eyes were about one and a half times the size of our own, but he said that these people would put on sunglasses and go walk around in Las Vegas all the time and nobody even knew. They were none the wiser. Now you have these two separate individuals and, frankly, there are a lot more than just these two, but these are two people that I believe are very credible and have nothing to gain by lying. These are saying hey, there are people that are coming to this earth that look like us but they're not from here, that look like us but they're not from here. Now there are hundreds of accounts of people encountering these classic gray, alien-looking types, and Brigadier General Haim Eshed said that they are the most common type that he was aware of, and Charles Hall said that he also had interactions with those as well. Now I understand that this is strange, but let's just say for a moment that you haven't given any of this a thought, for a moment that you haven't given any of this a thought.

Speaker 2: 41:18

And in the near future, a spaceship comes and lands on the White House lawn and a very handsome, human-looking man walks out of this spacecraft, right up to the president of the United States and they hold a joint press conference in the Rose Garden and this man says hey, I just wanted to let you guys know that this guy, Jesus Christ, you worship. Yeah, he's one of us. He came here under assignment and we were just trying to help you guys out. What does that do to your faith? If you have no box for any of this, if you do not understand that the pre-Diluvian world was utterly corrupted because people came here from another world and introduced all kinds of false doctrines, that corrupted the world to the point that it needed to be destroyed, and that Enoch said listen, this is about to happen to you guys again.

Speaker 2: 42:31

The Lord is going to bind these guys for 70 generations, but then they're going to come back. Bind these guys for 70 generations, but then they're going to come back. Friends, to me this has all of the signs of a massive black swan event, and I think that this is something that we probably ought to start processing. We probably ought to start taking this a little more seriously than perhaps we have in the past, because I believe that the ramifications of this could be incredibly dire. That have never really given any of this any consideration before. But the book of Enoch doesn't stand by itself as a witness that the earth has had interactions with people from other worlds in its history. Surprisingly, the Bible has some other accounts of this.

Speaker 2: 43:35

For example, the book of Enoch mentioned that the reason that we had giants on the earth before the flood was because of these 200 men that came to the earth, and their offspring were enormous. I don't exactly understand how that works. I'm not a geneticist, but as I think about that, and if there are other human beings on other worlds also created in the image of God, you would think that to be created in the image of God would mean that you would be sexually compatible. That's certainly the case with all of the different races of humanity upon this planet. It doesn't matter what nationality you are. You're sexually compatible with any other nationality on the planet. Why would it be different amongst other worlds if we're created in the image of God? Well, it certainly seems that these 200 men that came to this world anciently were sexually compatible. What if their worlds are bigger or smaller? Their DNA would be optimized for whatever living conditions they had. Now I know that our scientists are going to say oh no, you need to have a world that's exactly the size of our own, because life couldn't exist otherwise. Well, guess what? Our God is a master designer. And if Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego could go into a fiery furnace and come out again unscathed, because they were in there with the Son of man. Because they were in there with the Son of man, then I'm pretty sure he could create human beings that could survive in any environment. So let's just suppose that the Watchers came from a world that was significantly larger than our own. That means that the gravitational forces would be significantly stronger than our own. That means that the gravitational forces would be significantly stronger than our own, and so their DNA would need to compensate for that. That doesn't necessarily mean that they would be much larger than us. Maybe they were the exact same size as us. But if you mix their DNA with our DNA and now you have these offspring that have DNA that was meant to be, you know, countered with a much stronger gravitational force than ours, might it not grow a heck of a lot bigger? I have no idea Maybe. All I know is that we had giants both before and after the flood. All I know is that we had giants both before and after the flood.

Speaker 2: 46:25

So if all of these watchers were wiped out before the flood, how did we get them after the flood? Because, remember, after the house of Israel came through the desert and went to go into their lands of inheritance in the lands of Canaan. They sent forth spies who wandered through Canaan for 40 days. They came back and gave a report that, wow, this is an impressive land. It is flowing with milk and honey, but guess what? It's filled with giants. There's no way the Lord can deliver this place into our hands, because every single one of these guys is a massive and we're grasshoppers compared to them. And in fact, there was weeping and wailing when they received this report and they were begging Moses. We don't want to do this. And so the Lord cursed them for their lack of faith and they wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. That's the whole purpose of the wilderness wandering. Because they didn't have the faith that the Lord could overcome these giants. We don't really ask ourselves where the heck did those giants come from?

Speaker 2: 47:26

Well, the book of Jubilees, which is also often referred to as the lesser Genesis, gives an account that in the days of Noah's grandchildren, meaning after the flood, there was a small contingency of watchers that returned once again and guess where they returned? To the lands of Canaan, and that there were giants once more in the land as a result. Now think about what God commanded the house of Israel to do to the Canaanites. It's highly unusual. God commanded them to annihilate them every man, woman and child and not only annihilate them but destroy all of their artifacts. Nothing was to be left, and that doesn't sound like something a kind and loving God would do, and it frankly causes lots of people to look at the God of the Old Testament as being a big meanie. But what if we were having the same situation play out in Canaan as was happening to the world before the great flood? And the Lord said uh-uh, I'm nipping this in the bud and I'm using Israel to do it. Now what happened?

Speaker 2: 48:49

If you really focus on that account, you find some really interesting stuff. Caleb and Joshua were the only men that survived the 40-year wandering in the wilderness. Everyone else that was of the age of circumcision died wandering around. Now, Caleb and Joshua led the house of Israel against the Canaanites and they were successful in that campaign to a degree. Now what was the exception? We read about the exception in Judges 1, verse 19,. And it is very interesting Listen to what the exception was. Very interesting Listen to what the exception was. So the Lord was with Judah and they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland because they had chariots of iron.

Speaker 2: 49:49

Think of that. That doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense to me. Why could the Lord deliver Jericho into the hands of the Israelites, why could he deliver all of these nations of gigantic, powerful, Goliath-like people but then not be able to take care of this one contingent because they had chariots of iron? Able to take care of this one contingent because they had chariots of iron. That's an anomaly. There's something that we don't quite understand there, Not to mention the fact that, if you take the biblical timeline into account here, when Joshua led these guys into the lands of Canaan, this is before the Iron Age was even supposed to have started by a couple of hundred years.

Speaker 2: 50:45

So what are these iron chariots? And then we read about these same 900 chariots later in the book of Judges. Chariots later in the book of Judges. We read in Judges, chapter 4, verses 2 through 3. Listen to this. And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin, king of Canaan that reigned in Hazor, the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Haroseth of the Gentiles and the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, for he had nine hundred chariots of iron and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. So you have these iron chariots being a continual thorn in the side of the house of Israel, to the point that Israel is brought into captivity on account of these nine 900 chariots.

Speaker 2: 51:37

Why would chariots made of iron be a significant advantage? In a sandy landscape, you would think that it would actually be far inferior to have an iron chariot than, say, just a chariot of wood. That could move a heck of a lot faster, be pulled much faster by a single horse. Iron chariots are going just a chariot of wood that could move a heck of a lot faster and be pulled much faster by a single horse. Iron chariots are going to weigh a ton. Why is that an advantage? It's not really explained, and what's even more strange to me is how these iron chariots are eventually overthrown. They're not overthrown until the days of the prophetess Deborah. Now we don't really get an explanation for how this occurs, Only in a song that Deborah sings once Israel has been victorious, and the song is very, very interesting. I want you to think about this song from the context of the book of Enoch.

Speaker 2: 52:46

This is Judges, chapter 5, verses 19 through 20 and verse 23. The kings came and fought. Then fought the kings of Canaan in Tanakh, by the waters of Medigo, and they took no gain of money. They fought from heaven. The stars in their courses fought against Sisera. Curse ye, Moroes, said the angel of the Lord. Curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof, because they came not to help the Lord, to help the Lord against the mighty, to help the Lord against the mighty.

Speaker 2: 53:21

So who does Deborah attribute the victory against Sisera's 900 chariots of iron to? She attributes it to the kings who fought from heaven. She says that the stars fought against Sisera, and then she goes on to explicitly call out Moroz or the people of Moroz as having not heeded the Lord's call to come and fight on Israel's behalf against Sisera's 900 chariots. What does this mean? The only armed force that we are told about in the Bible was 10,000 men that came with swords with Deborah, to fight against Sis, defeat 900 iron chariots, when over 600,000 men following Joshua and Caleb could not overcome them. There's something unique here, and I think Deborah is giving us the clue when she says that the kings from heaven came and fought on Israel's behalf.

Speaker 2: 54:40

Now there is an interesting piece of commentary from the Babylonian Talmud, also known as, more commonly, the Moed Katan 16a, that talks about this same thing. Specifically, it's talking about Moroz, which, if you recall from the previous verse that I read, was the people that did not come to aid Israel like the other kings from the stars that came. This is what that commentary says about Moroz. As for the identification of Moroz, some say that he was a great man and that he was ostracized because he did not join in the war effort, and others say that the reference is to a star and not a human being, and that this star did not aid the Jewish people in their battle. As it is stated, the stars fought from heaven in their courses. They fought against Sisera. The stars fought from heaven in their courses. They fought against Sisera. This star, which did not help the Jewish people, was cursed See the Mohed Ketan 16a. Now, what does it mean when the stars are helping Israel?

Speaker 2: 55:48

We're not talking about horoscopes here the Israelites you know, they were righteous in this time period, they were not governing themselves by horoscopes. So when we're talking about stars, what if we're really talking about solar systems and we're talking about a group of people that was supposed to come and help from a place called Moroz? Now that's a pretty interesting idea. I don't know If something like this were to have happened and you would have had a fleet of extraterrestrial spaceships coming to the Earth to fight against Cicero's 900 chariots around this time, you would think that this would be a pretty spectacular event and that there would be some kind of record other than Deborah's song to make mention of this. So that begs the question is yes.

Speaker 2: 56:56

In 1933, a man by the name of Alberto Tulli, who was the director of the Vatican Museum, encountered a papyrus that has since become known as the Tulli papyrus. The translation of this papyrus gives a shocking account. Let me read it to you. In the year 22 of the third month of winter, the sixth hour of the day, a strange fire disc came in the sky. It had no head, yet its mouth emitted a foul odor. Its body was one rod in length. It had no voice meaning it made no sound.

Speaker 2: 57:37

It came towards his majesty's house. Their hearts, meaning the hearts of the priests of Pharaoh, became confused through it and they fell upon their bellies. They went to the king to report it. After several days had passed, they meaning, these fire disks in the sky, became more numerous in the sky than ever. They shined in the sky more than the brightness of the sun and extended to the limits of the four supports of heaven, meaning in the four cardinal directions north, south, east and west. Powerful were the positions of the fiery discs. The armies of the king looked on and, with his majesty in their midst, it was after the evening mill when the discs ascended even higher in the sky to the south, a marvel never before known since the foundation of the country. And his majesty caused incense to be brought to appease the heart of Amun-Ra, the god of the two lands, and it was ordered that the event should be recorded for his majesty in the annals of the house of life to be remembered forever. This is pretty crazy. Now this document gives a date for when this event occurred the year 22 of the third month of winter, the sixth hour of the day, now the 22nd year, according to the Egyptian manner of timekeeping would correspond roughly with approximately 1500 BC-ish. Now, when did this Deborah's battle, where the kings of heaven came and fought on Israel's behalf, happen? Well, most Bible scholars believe that that happened sometime between 1700 BC and 1500 BC, so we're talking the same timeframes here. This is a pretty remarkable correlation. But it's not the only part of the Bible that may be talking about things like this.

Speaker 2: 59:26

There's another interesting section in the book of Job. I already mentioned that the book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible because they found copies of it written in ancient Aramaic. Now, if you take the book of Job at face value, this would have to be a pre-Diluvian book, because Job's lifespan is hundreds and hundreds of years. This is significant because in Genesis, chapter 6, verse 3, the Lord says that he is going to shrink down the lifespan of men after the flood so that they're not living as long. So that means that Job had to have lived before the flood, which means Job was alive during the time that the book of Enoch was talking about, in other words, when the watchers were here. And that is some really important context for a very interesting conversation that takes place between the Lord and Job. I'm referring to specifically Job 38, verses 31 through 33.

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

Now listen to this in the context of what we've been discussing so far in this podcast. This is the Lord speaking to Job. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Maseroth in his season, or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven, canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Now, this is a really interesting passage to me in light of what we have been discussing, because, according to the Lord, the Pleiades have had a sweet influence upon the earth and apparently the Orion has had a negative influence upon the Earth to the point that they were bound. What does this mean? I mean, are we talking about zodiac symbols here, or are we talking about inhabitants from star systems literally influencing life on Earth? Well, I mentioned earlier a conversation the exit interview with Brigadier General Haim Eshed. He mentioned one of the things that he mentioned was that there were people here that have been visiting the Earth from the Pleiades star system. I know that sounds crazy. I'm not saying that. That's what this guy, brigadier General Haim Eshed, said. I mean, keep in mind, this is the guy who designed Israel's Iron Dome defense system. He's no hack. So he's saying these things and the Lord seems to be saying something very similar in the Bible to Job. Now, if Job was alive during the time that the Watchers were influencing the earth, it would have resonated with Job differently than it does with us today.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

Now let's go back to Orion. Orion star system. I mean, we all know the constellation Orion but, curiously, if you look at the setup of the Great Pyramids of Giza, you will see that those three pyramids line up perfectly with the Orion's belt. That's very interesting because, honestly, we still really don't know how the Great Pyramids were built. We could not replicate those today. When you look inside of those pyramids, there are no hieroglyphs inside of them, they're just an archaeological enigma. Then you have the Great Sphinx that has all kinds of water damage on it, suggesting that it may have existed before the Great Flood. There's some strange things going on here. Was it possible that the Watchers came from the Orion star system? And that is what the Lord is referring to when he says that they were bound, meaning they were bound for 70 generations and then at the end of those 70 generations they'd be loosed, meaning their influence would be felt once again in our day.

Speaker 2: 1:03:46

I'm not really sure, but it's interesting this is just another data point in the scriptures that once again, if black swan events become obvious in retrospect- and again, the whole point of this podcast is that we can take some of these data points and with them, you know, hopefully be able to make sense of some of the things that are going on and maybe see some of these black swans before they happen. Now, friends, there's a lot more that I want to talk about on this topic, but this episode is getting long, so I think I will come back and cover some of these other things in the next episode, but let me recap what we've discussed so far in this episode. We started out by just, in a very high-level way, talking about some of the things that are going on in the congressional hearings. We're having high-caliber whistleblowers coming in and saying incredible things about how the earth is being visited by extraterrestrial civilizations and that this is happening almost on a daily basis and it's happening with increasing frequency. So what do you do with that? Because, if this is true, it has to reconcile with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It can't just be some one-off thing that is true but exists outside of the gospel. God is the God of the universe, so everything has to fit together, it all must reconcile, and I suggested that one of the springboards for how this reconciliation process can begin is with the Book of Enoch. Why? Because the Book of Enoch talks about 200 extraterrestrial men that come to Earth and intermarry with the women of Earth and completely corrupt the pre-Diluvian society to the point that it needs to be destroyed. And then, in the opening verses, enoch says he is writing this book for our day because the watchers are coming back before Christ comes again. That's kind of a bombshell.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

And then we reviewed some other significant passages, not to mention the fact that there are nations of giants that exist in the Bible with absolutely no explanation outside of that provided in the book of Enoch itself. Now we haven't even scratched the surface of the book of Enoch, and the book of Enoch will be a reoccurring theme in this podcast. We'll talk about it quite a bit, because it is an amazing book. Then we also talked about some historical events in Israel's history when Sisera's 900 chariots were destroyed, and they were destroyed when the kings of heaven came and fought on Israel's behalf, all except for the people of Moroz, which, according to Jewish literature the Babylonian Talmud, that Moroz relates to a star, and the people of the star system did not help Israel. That's very curious.

Speaker 2: 1:07:07

And then we concluded by talking about some passages in the book of Job that suggest that the Pleiades have had a positive influence on Earth and that the Orion star system has had a negative impact on Earth. And the implication here isn't that Earth is being influenced by some zodiac symbols, but rather it's being influenced from inhabitants from these star systems, which I know sounds crazy, but Congress is talking about this stuff on a daily basis and we're seeing crazy things in our skies. So if it all reconciles, friends, then we better start looking at some of these things a little more seriously. I'm not saying that you need to believe this. I'm just saying we need to start getting boxes for this stuff. And this is the purpose of this podcast not to convince you of any of this, but hopefully to start providing some theological framework for how this may be able to reconcile, because if we really do have UFOs flying around in our skies and I absolutely believe that we do then there has to be some way to reconcile this.

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

Well, friends, I've gone on long enough today. I hope that you will tune in to my next episode, where we continue down this very interesting rabbit hole, where we flesh these things out a little bit more, and you are not going to want to miss the next episode. We're going to talk about some very, very interesting current events and how those play into this whole topic as well. Well, friends, that's a wrap for today. I hope you'll join me next time when we pick up the same subject. Until then, keep seeking, for they that seek shall find. May God bless your seeking.

Speaker 1: 1:09:02

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